Tempi - Schemi allenamento CIS

[EnderIII]

volevo lanciare una proposta: sono stati postati i primi 5 schemi di allenamento e immagino che un bel po' di gente li avrà scaricati....

Che ne dite di postare i propri tempi di risoluzione? Giusto per avere dei parametri di riferimento....come si sa la sfida del CIS è basata anche sul tempo, non tanto perchè bisogna essere più veloci degli altri sul singolo schema, ma perchè bisogna completare tanti schemi in poco tempo e storicamente ci sono stati pochissimi casi di completamento di tutti gli schemi di una sessione nel tempo concesso.

Ad ogni modo chi vorrà fornire i propri tempi farà cosa gradita

Grazie in anticipo

[Bely]

fatti...
killer: 7.16

esterno: 7.52

diag: 13.09

cornice: 8.18

maggiore-minore: 21.02

vabbè...almeno so già più o meno dove devo buttarmi

[HeartattacK]

Sono leggermente demoralizzato spero sia colpa dell'influenza

killer: 22.58

esterno: 14.40

diag: 13.20

cornice: 17.30

maggiore-minore: 24.44

[EnderIII]

Visto che sono stato io a lanciare questo post mi sembra il minimo contribuire coi miei tempi:

Diagonale circa 13 min

Killer circa 11 min

Esterno circa 16 min

Cornice circa 19 min

Non completato il <> che continuo a non apprezzare....mi sembra davvero stupido come schema....è un continuo procedere a tentativi....cmq mi pare che qualcuno abbia postato una traccia....seguirò quella per capire dove sbaglio, altrimenti lo lascerò perdere anche al CIS.....concederò questo vantaggio agli avversari....!!

Ciao

P.S. non ancora svolti gli altri 5 schemi a disposizione, che invito tutti a scaricare

[gabriele]

ciao Antonio,
ecco il log completo di soluzione della bestia come trovato da camillo

non farti spaventare dalla lunghezza del log, il computer è stupido e parte dalla prima cella ed arriva fino alla ottantunesima, ma sei vai ai primi certi inseriti troverai un ragionamento sicuramente più veloce

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control >, r2c1 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r1c2 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r1c3 , candidate 9,8,7 not possible
control >, r2c2 , candidate 9,8,7 not possible
control >, r1c1 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r2c1 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r1c3 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c3 , candidate 9.8.7,6 not possible
control >, r1c2 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r1c1 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r2c1 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r1c4 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r1c5 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r2c4 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r1c6 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c5 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c6 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r1c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r1c8 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r2c7 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r1c9 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c8 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c9 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r3c1 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r2c2 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r3c2 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r3c3 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c4 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r2c5 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r3c4 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r1c4 , candidate 2,3 not possible
control >, r1c5 , candidate 8,7 not possible
control >, r2c6 , candidate 8,7 not possible
control >, r3c5 , candidate 9.8.7 not possible
control >, r3c6 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r2c7 , candidate 1 not possible
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control >, r3c9 , candidate 1 not possible
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control >, r3c4 , candidate 7,6 not possible
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control >, r2c4 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r1c4 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r3c6 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r3c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r3c8 , candidate 8,7 not possible
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control >, r4c2 , candidate 1 not possible
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control >, r4c3 , candidate 1,2,3 not possible
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control >, r5c1 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r5c3 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r4c4 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r4c5 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r4c4 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r5c4 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r4c5 , candidate 8,1 not possible
control >, r4c6 , candidate 9,8,7 not possible
control >, r5c5 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r4c4 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r5c4 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r5c6 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r4c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r4c8 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r4c8 , candidate 1 not possible
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control >, r4c7 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r5c9 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r5c2 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r6c1 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r5c3 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r6c2 , candidate 9,8,7 not possible
control >, r6c3 , candidate 1,2,3 not possible
control >, r5c4 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r5c5 , candidate 3,4 not possible
control >, r6c4 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r4c4 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r4c5 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r4c6 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r5c6 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r6c5 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r6c6 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r6c7 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r6c8 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r6c9 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r6c4 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r6c5 , candidate 8,7 not possible
control >, r6c7 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r6c8 , candidate 2,3 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r5c8 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r7c1 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c2 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r8c1 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r7c3 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r8c2 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c3 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r8c3 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r7c2 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r7c4 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c5 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r8c4 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r7c5 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c6 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r8c5 , candidate 1,2 not possible
control >, r7c4 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r8c6 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c7 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r7c8 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r7c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r8c7 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r7c8 , candidate 2,9 not possible
control >, r7c9 , candidate 1,2,3 not possible
control >, r8c8 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r7c7 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r8c7 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r8c9 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r8c1 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r9c1 , candidate 9,8 not possible
control >, r7c1 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r8c2 , candidate 2,9 not possible
control >, r8c3 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r9c2 , candidate 9,8 not possible
9 hidden single in column 2, in r3c2
9 hidden single in row 2, in r2c8
control >, r1c1 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r1c2 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r1c3 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r2c2 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r2c3 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r1c8 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r2c7 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r2c9 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r3c1 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r3c7 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r3c8 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r6c7 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r5c8 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r6c9 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r8c1 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r9c1 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r9c3 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r9c4 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r8c6 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r8c5 , candidate 9 not possible
control >, r9c5 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r9c5 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r9c5 , candidate 3 not possible
9 hidden single in row 8, in r8c3
9 hidden single in block 4, in r6c1
9 hidden single in block 5, in r5c5
9 hidden single in block 6, in r4c7
control >, r4c2 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r5c2 , candidate 7 not possible
8 hidden single in column 2, in r8c2
8 hidden single in column 1, in r2c1
control >, r2c5 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r1c5 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r2c6 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r3c5 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r3c4 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r4c1 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r5c1 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r5c3 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r6c2 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r5c6 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r7c2 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r8c1 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r7c5 , candidate 8 not possible
control >, r7c5 , candidate 7 not possible
8 hidden single in column 5, in r9c5
7 hidden single in column 5, in r8c5
8 hidden single in column 7, in r1c7
8 hidden single in block 2, in r3c6
8 hidden single in block 5, in r5c4
8 hidden single in column 9, in r7c9
9 hidden single in block 9, in r9c9
9 hidden single in block 8, in r7c4
9 hidden single in block 2, in r1c6
control >, r2c4 , candidate 7 not possible
7 hidden single in block 2, in r1c4
control >, r1c2 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r1c3 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r2c2 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r2c3 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r1c8 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r2c9 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r2c9 , candidate 6 not possible
7 hidden single in row 2, in r2c7
control >, r2c5 , candidate 6 not possible
6 hidden single in block 2, in r2c4
control >, r1c5 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r2c6 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r3c5 , candidate 5 not possible
5 hidden single in block 2, in r2c5
control >, r3c4 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r4c5 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r4c6 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r4c6 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r4c9 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r5c6 , candidate 7 not possible
7 hidden single in block 5, in r6c6
7 hidden single in column 9, in r5c9
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control >, r6c2 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r5c1 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r5c8 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r6c5 , candidate 6 not possible
6 hidden single in block 5, in r5c6
6 hidden single in block 8, in r7c5
control >, r5c2 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r6c2 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r5c1 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r7c6 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r8c7 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r8c7 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r9c1 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r8c4 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r8c6 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r9c6 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r9c6 , candidate 2 not possible
5 hidden single in column 6, in r9c6
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control >, r8c4 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r8c8 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r8c7 , candidate 1 not possible
control >, r9c7 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r9c7 , candidate 4 not possible
1 hidden single in column 7, in r9c7
1 hidden single in block 7, in r7c2
1 hidden single in block 4, in r5c1
1 hidden single in block 1, in r2c3
1 hidden single in block 8, in r8c4
1 hidden single in block 2, in r1c5
1 hidden single in block 3, in r3c8
1 hidden single in block 5, in r4c6
1 hidden single in block 6, in r6c9
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control >, r3c5 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r4c8 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r5c2 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r4c2 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r4c3 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r5c3 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r6c3 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r6c7 , candidate 3 not possible
2 hidden single in row 5, in r5c8
2 hidden single in row 1, in r1c3
control >, r1c2 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r1c1 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r1c9 , candidate 3 not possible
3 hidden single in row 1, in r1c8
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control >, r6c8 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r8c6 , candidate 2 not possible
control >, r7c7 , candidate 2 not possible
2 hidden single in row 7, in r7c6
2 hidden single in block 2, in r3c4
2 hidden single in block 3, in r2c9
2 hidden single in block 9, in r8c7
control >, r7c1 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r7c8 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r8c8 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r8c9 , candidate 3 not possible
control >, r8c9 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r8c8 , candidate 4 not possible
control >, r9c8 , candidate 7 not possible
control >, r9c8 , candidate 6 not possible
3 hidden single in block 9, in r7c7
3 hidden single in block 6, in r4c9
4 hidden single in block 9, in r9c8
4 hidden single in block 8, in r8c6
3 last digit in block , r9c4
3 last digit in column , r2c6
4 last digit in block , r3c5
4 last digit in row , r2c2
4 hidden single in block 3, in r1c9
3 hidden single in block 5, in r6c5
2 last digit in column , r4c5
2 hidden single in block 4, in r6c2
3 hidden single in block 4, in r5c2
2 hidden single in block 7, in r9c1
3 hidden single in block 7, in r8c1
3 hidden single in block 1, in r3c3
7 hidden single in block 1, in r3c1
6 hidden single in block 1, in r1c1
5 last digit in block , r1c2
6 hidden single in block 9, in r8c9
5 last digit in row , r8c8
7 last digit in block , r7c8
5 last digit in column , r3c9
6 last digit in block , r3c7
control >, r4c3 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r4c3 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r5c7 , candidate 5 not possible
control >, r6c7 , candidate 4 not possible
4 hidden single in block 6, in r5c7
5 last digit in row , r5c3
5 last digit in column , r6c7
4 hidden single in block 4, in r4c1
5 last digit in column , r7c1
4 last digit in row , r7c3
4 hidden single in block 5, in r6c4
5 last digit in block , r4c4
control >, r9c2 , candidate 6 not possible
control >, r9c3 , candidate 7 not possible
6 hidden single in block 7, in r9c3
7 last digit in block , r9c2
6 last digit in column , r4c2
7 hidden single in block 4, in r4c3
8 last digit in block , r6c3
8 last digit in row , r4c8
6 last digit in block , r6c8

[liù]

Questo log significa che avremo un'altra variante a breve?

Gabriele ... che dirti?

[gabriele]

è stato più semplice di quanto pensassi,

ma ad arrivare agli schemi giocabili in linea ci vuole ancora un bel pò

[EnderIII]

Grazie mille Gabriele.....studierò attentamente il tuo post stasera con calma....

Non è che il programma è in grado di fare la stessa cosa anche per un sudoku ad incastro?

Grazie ancora

[EnderIII]

Non ce l'ho fatta a resistere...ho controllato....incredibile....ho scoperto finalmente che anche il <> non è arbitrario e ci sono delle strade "certe"....

Gabriele non so come ringraziarti.....

Le mie chance di vittoria al CIS adesso sono ancora più alte....i bookmaker hanno rivisto al ribasso la mia quota...da 100 a 99...niente male...!!

[gabrieleud]

allora vediamo:

killer 6 minuti e spiccioli

hyperzone 3 minuti e 53

esterno 5 minuti e 20

cornice 9 minuti e 48

diagonale 8 minuti

maggiore/minore: ancora non sono riusciti a costringermi a risolverlo.

[guidopatek]

spero solo che le griglie siano un po' più grandine ...

ho dovuto ingrandirle 200 volte

per i 3 schemi killer proposti circa 28 minuti

provo gli altri ...